Announcement: old newsgroups are now present on this forum

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Dave Rabelink
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Announcement: old newsgroups are now present on this forum

Post by Dave Rabelink » 10 May 2017, 09:19

As of today, a new sub-forum is present which holds 10 years worth of posts from the good old Gupta newsgroups.

Before having an online web based forum, Gupta users could use dedicated newsgroups to post questions and get information on Gupta related products.
These newsgroups were active between the year 2000 and 2010, accessible using newsreader clients (like Outlook, AgentForte etc).

AgentForte.png

In those years, the newsgroups gathered about 120.000 posts containing a lot of information.
Unfortunately, the newsgroups are long gone. After becoming read-only for a short period, Gupta moved to a web based forum and the old was shut down.

As newsreaders download posts locally, some of us still have a "copy" of the newsgroups and can be accessed locally to find still valuable info.

My personal goal: to convert the local posts and attachments to be compatible with this forum and import them so that the original posts are accessible again after many years of obscurity.
It seems that this goal has been achieved. Most posts are converted and can now be found in this forum.

There are limitations on the post structure though. Newsgroups are trees, so a thread can have multiple branches. This has to be fit into this forum which is flat.
So on some topics, the post sequence could be out of order. But at least they are combined into one topic.

Also, most posts on the newsgroups also hold the quote from the previous post it responds to. To limit the size of the import, I tried to cleanup the quotes.
Due to newsreader differences, there was no clear way for me to detect what is a quote or not. So the conversion tool I created for this task could not clean all posts.
So you might get in some cases strange text blocks when reading them in this forum.

During conversion I found newsgroup posts which contained binary data which were not usable or compatible with the forum posts here. I had to clean them, meaning the data is gone or the post is completely missing.

Another difference between this forum and newsgroups is cross-posting. A thread could be started in multiple newsgroups at the same time and could have replies independent of each other.
The custom created conversion tool tried to detect this and clean them. But there are still cross-posts present in this forum, meaning that a topic can be present in multiple sub-forums.

In the end, newsgroup threads could be imported here.

Topics and their posts have this info retained:
  • The forum user is always 'NewsgroupServer'
  • The post time is the original one
  • Posts start with the original poster name in the body text
  • Any original attachments can be opened by clicking the link

As an example, the newsgroup post selected in the first screenshot above is present as topic & post like this:

Newsgroups3.png



The Newsgroups sub-forum is only accessible to registered users.
So guests to this forum need to register a free account first and login to access it.

You are unable to create new topics there, but you can reply on existing topics.
This is to keep new stuff in the forums they belong and enables you to respond or ask subsequent questions when the topic is suitable.

I hope you find the posts from the old newsgroups useful as it really contains tons of valuable info.

Here a direct link to the Newsgroups sub-forum:

viewforum.php?f=45
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Regards,
Dave Rabelink

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Charlie
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Re: Announcement: old newsgroups are now present on this forum

Post by Charlie » 10 May 2017, 10:34

Dave, dude. I'm getting misty-eyed.

That is a right beautiful piece of work.

Good stuff !
A little trick to help direct folk from old Gupta forum to this one: Link to post

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Re: Announcement: old newsgroups are now present on this forum

Post by H3PO4 » 10 May 2017, 13:58

Thanks a lot, Dave,
very cool!

Best regards
Henning

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Re: Announcement: old newsgroups are now present on this forum

Post by thomas.uttendorfer » 11 May 2017, 07:31

Many thanks.
Great.
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Re: Announcement: old newsgroups are now present on this forum

Post by EwaldP » 11 May 2017, 09:24

Thanks a lot Dave.

Regards
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Re: Announcement: old newsgroups are now present on this forum

Post by Michael Ehehalt » 19 May 2017, 12:11

Great :D :D :D
Many Thanks.

Regards
Michael

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Re: Announcement: old newsgroups are now present on this forum

Post by gigit » 20 Jun 2017, 09:32

Weel done, Dave.

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Re: Announcement: old newsgroups are now present on this forum

Post by keuer4711 » 26 Jul 2017, 10:50

Thank you very much, Dave!
The new forum on OpenText is rubbish.
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Re: Announcement: old newsgroups are now present on this forum

Post by tom_bond » 26 Jul 2017, 10:56

Wow! Great Job Dave!
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