Object nationalizer

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Klaus-Werner Konrad

Object nationalizer

Post by Klaus-Werner Konrad » 20 Nov 2007, 00:03

 Posted by:  Klaus-Werner Konrad 

From the manual 'Localizing and Customizing Gupta Applications':

"Localizing applications

In the typical scenario for translating a Gupta SQLWindows application, a
translator is set up to use Object nationalizer, then given a copy of the
executable file and dynalibs to translate.
..."

Now I have the need to translate an application into several different
languages and asked Gupta / Unify how I can handle this.
This is Gupta/Unify's statement (translated from german):

"Dear customer,

I heared that you want to spread (give away) the Object Nationalizer to more
than 1 person.
This product is a part of our TeamDeveloper. If you want to give the Object
Nationizer away
to another person, you have to buy a TeamDeveloper licence for each person"

You don't mean this seriously, DO YOU ???

Thomas Lauzi

Object nationalizer

Post by Thomas Lauzi » 20 Nov 2007, 09:52

 Posted by:  Thomas Lauzi 

Hi Klaus,

why using the odd Object Nationalizer?
Whats about using ML32.dll or EasyNLS, which are more powerfull?

Regards,
Thomas L.

Gregor Stefka

Object nationalizer

Post by Gregor Stefka » 20 Nov 2007, 10:35

 Posted by:  Gregor Stefka 


What is ML32.DLL , how does it work and where can i get it?
Google was not of much help..

tia
Gregor Stefka

Thomas Lauzi

Object nationalizer

Post by Thomas Lauzi » 20 Nov 2007, 12:17

 Posted by:  Thomas Lauzi 

I suggest you AT*EasyNLS from Airetec ( a lot better, has a textscanner,
could translate context menus and only costs an eighth of ML32.dll)

AT*EasyNLS:
http://www.airetec.com/easynls/easynls.php

ML32.dll:
http://www.carano-is.de/index.php?s=93&lc=19
http://www.carano-is.de/uploads/File/cis/dll_flyer.pdf

If you search in the old forums you´ll find a comparison between both
products by me.

Regards,
Thomas L.

Klaus-Werner Konrad

Object nationalizer

Post by Klaus-Werner Konrad » 20 Nov 2007, 18:18

 Posted by:  Klaus-Werner Konrad 

Hi Thomas,

the ObjectNationalizer is *included* in TD, and from the manual my
understanding
is that I can give it away for frre to a translator.
EasyNLS runtime is 450 Euro plus Tax ...

J.Bertram
Germany
Posts: 40
Joined: 21 Mar 2017, 09:15
Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

Object nationalizer

Post by J.Bertram » 21 Nov 2007, 08:43

 Posted by:  Joerg P. Bertram 

Hello,

There are at minimum two reasons why not.
With the two DLLs you can not change the length of a Backgroundfield even if
there are not enough space for the translation.
At the moment I got no information from EasyNLS if they want to upgrade to a
UNICODE TD5.1 version. So why invest in a dead end.

Regards,
Joerg Bertram

Thomas Lauzi

Object nationalizer

Post by Thomas Lauzi » 21 Nov 2007, 12:19

 Posted by:  Thomas Lauzi 

Hi Joerg,

have you tested all three alternatives intensive with your product and
evaluated all aspects?

EasyNLS is not TD based, it is also for other languages available
(VB,C++,...)
EasyNLS hooks into windows (independent of TD) and translates the text on
the fly before it comes to the screen.
So, I don´t know if there is a unicode version needed or it is allready
unicode based in its core.
But I would also wait for the answer of the support...

Yes, thats not possible, but with Object nationalizer it is also not really
possible.
If the text does not fit into the screen you *have* to redesign your screen.
We translated every thing to fit into the given place (possible in 95%), if
the background text does not end directly after the last character.

How do you translate dynamic tabpages,context menus,... with object
nationalizer? What´s about content, that is not on the screen, but in some
controls? Not possible! IMHO object nationalizer is unusable for big complex
projects and needs some feature enhancements.

Regards,
Thomas L.

Thomas Lauzi

Object nationalizer

Post by Thomas Lauzi » 21 Nov 2007, 12:32

 Posted by:  Thomas Lauzi 

Hi Klaus,

but it is not the price, but the features.
If you have dynamic content (menus, tab pages,...) or you want translate
content in controls or the layout changes,... you have get problems with
object nationalizer.
I don´t want to make marketing for products, I only want share my
experience, I made during intensive tests (6 years ago) when we translated
our product.
If object nationalizer fits to your needs, then you could use it.

Regards,
Thomas L.

J.Bertram
Germany
Posts: 40
Joined: 21 Mar 2017, 09:15
Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

Object nationalizer

Post by J.Bertram » 21 Nov 2007, 16:00

 Posted by:  Joerg P. Bertram 

Hello Thoms,

At the moment we use both products, EasyNLS and Object Nationalizer. So far
the combination works very good for us. We need the Object Nationalizer also
for designing user specific masks in our standard application. For the field
length we need it for french solution because of the need of more place, to
save this place for other language is not practicable.
Some of our clients want redesign the standard application by themeselfes.
So far we would need a "free" version of this tools without buying licence
for the development product, also.
We have tested EasyNLS with TD5.1 and it crashes after using it three to
five times switching the language. We have now found a product that works
with TD 5.1 and can also handle UNICODE Translationfiles!
With ML32 I have no Experience so far.

Regards
Joerg B.

Thomas Lauzi

Object nationalizer

Post by Thomas Lauzi » 21 Nov 2007, 16:54

 Posted by:  Thomas Lauzi 

Hello Joerg,

Ok, by using both products you have all features and the advantages of each.
:-)

Which one?

It´s specific for TD and they are working on a unicode version.

Regards,
Thomas L.

J.Bertram
Germany
Posts: 40
Joined: 21 Mar 2017, 09:15
Location: Karlsruhe, Germany

Object nationalizer

Post by J.Bertram » 22 Nov 2007, 09:44

 Posted by:  Joerg P. Bertram 

Hello Thomas,

The name is SPICA 2000 it is for C/C++ and Centura/Gupta/Unify. It comes
from ATEC GmbH in Freiburg, Germany http://www.atec-gmbh.de . In the past it
is known as MultiLanguage 1.8x.
The Translationfile can be easy converted from EasyNLS to this tool.
Interessting is a Learning Mode. The User can directly translate while he is
working with the application.

Regards,
Joerg B.

Thomas Lauzi

Object nationalizer

Post by Thomas Lauzi » 22 Nov 2007, 09:54

 Posted by:  Thomas Lauzi 

Hello Joerg,

thanks for the info, but I can´t find more infos on the page.
But the question is, does this will work with TD5.1 and what is the
advantage compared to EasyNLS.

Regards,
Thomas L.

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