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Team Developer 64 bits

Post by intec » 17 Feb 2014, 15:23

When Team Developer will release a 64 bits version?

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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by Dave Rabelink » 17 Feb 2014, 20:24

Why would you need one?
By the way, on TD.NET you can already compile 64 bit.
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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by intec » 19 Feb 2014, 21:33

The behavior of TD. Net is not the same as the TD 32 and reengineering our products represent a very large cost.
It's the reason our question of TD 64 version.

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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by markus.essmayr » 20 Feb 2014, 07:20

Hello,

this question has already been asked before and my personal oppinion is, that there will NEVER be a native 64 Bit TD version.

As Dave asked, why would you need one?
Do you process huge amounts of data in memory?
Do you run on 64 bit servers that don't have the 32 bit subsystem installed?

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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by Mike Vandine » 20 Feb 2014, 07:33

>>The behavior of TD. Net is not the same as the TD 32 and reengineering our products represent a very large cost. <<

Can you expand on what differences in behavior that you have found that you would need to re-engineer your products?

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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by Dave Rabelink » 20 Feb 2014, 07:36

The reason between the difference of TD win32 vs TD.NET is not due to 32 vs 64 bit. It is a complete different architecture. A 64 bit TD win32 wil not help you.
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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by intec » 20 Feb 2014, 15:44

Behavioral differences between TD. Net TD 32 Bits and added the use of third-party libraries, do not have a version for .Net compatible. Net The reengineering has costly for us without being sure of success.
It's the reason we asked for a 64-bit version of TD.

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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by markus.essmayr » 21 Feb 2014, 07:50

Sorry, I still didn't get it yet.

If your application runs fine as 32 Bit process (built with TD Win32), why would you need to have it 64 Bit?
Moving to 64 Bit doesn't give you huge benefits (especially if your application is an interactive business application).
Also keep in mind, that if you want to support 32 and 64 Bit systems, you'll have to compile your application twice and ship them both!

As I already mentioned before, there are only 3 benefits that you will gain:
  • A really marginal, not noticable performance benefit when running on a 64 Bit CPU.
    (A 32 Bit application runs in a subsystem on 64 Bit systems which adds a very thin overhead to execution! You won't notice that!)
  • Support for big memory allocations, which I'm sure you won't need in a business application.
  • The only real reason, why you would want to have your application 64 Bit is, that there are 64 Bit Windows Servers out there, that may have the 32 Bit subsystem disabled.
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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by Mirko » 21 Feb 2014, 09:50

Hello,

A few questions come to my mind then...

Will the 32 bit subsystem always exists ? I mean... we did pass from 16 to 32 even if the applications used to run fine as a 16 bit process in a 32 world....

What's the difference now from 32 to 64 (sorry for the probably stupid question but I'm not an expert) ?

One day, maybe not tomorrow, the 32 bit subsystem will probably not be supported anymore... I guess !?!?

Do we have to moove to the .NET world in that (very future) situation to be able to run our applications in a 64 bit only world ?

These are my concers

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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by markus.essmayr » 24 Feb 2014, 07:51

Hello,

Q: "Will the 32 Bit subsystem always exist?"
A: No, I don't think so.
An additional question is, how long will it exist and when will Microsoft drop 32 Bit support from Windows?
I don't know an official answer on this from Microsoft, but maybe I'll get one.
Another additional question is, how long will Gupta support native applications or will they drop Win32 support in the future and move to .NET only?
This will depend on our (=the customers) will to move to .NET.

Q: "What's the difference between 32 and 64 Bit?"
A: If you enter this question in you favorite Web-Search-Engine, you'll find a lot of information on this.
As TD developer you shouldn't have to care about the differences.
Even if you use external DLL's there should be the right data types that hide the differences from you.
If you have more concrete questions, please just ask!

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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by Mirko » 28 Feb 2014, 10:58

Hi Max,

My question was infact from a TD developper point of view...
As TD developer you shouldn't have to care about the differences
I totally agree with you and I actually do not care :lol:
Do we have to moove to the .NET world in that (very future) situation to be able to run our applications in a 64 bit only world ?
This one sounds quite cocrete to me :wink: and wish on afficial answer

Mirko

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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by john_gorinta » 25 Nov 2015, 13:37

Hi Max,
We are also migrating our CTD 3.0 applications (Win32) on Windows XP to Windows 10 using CTD 6.3

In Windows XP, our CTD applications use external libraries (DLLs) which are developed in C++, VB.net etc and compiled as 32-bit Dlls.

If now during migration, we compile our C++, VB.NET as 64-bit dlls, can our 32-bit Win32 CTD applications still use these 64-bit external DLLs?

Thanks,
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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by markus.essmayr » 25 Nov 2015, 13:46

Hi John,

the answer is no.
There is no way to mix 32 and 64 bit modules in one process.
So you'll need to continue to support 32 bit for your DLLs.
Visual Studio allows you to setup 32 and 64 bit builds for your C++ projects and this is what you need.
This is the way how I do it and of course how Microsoft does it.

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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by john_gorinta » 08 Dec 2015, 07:39

Thanks a lot Markus. That is exactly what i wanted..

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Re: Team Developer 64 bits

Post by MWegner » 09 Dec 2015, 07:23

Mirko wrote:
Do we have to moove to the .NET world in that (very future) situation to be able to run our applications in a 64 bit only world ?
This one sounds quite cocrete to me :wink: and wish on afficial answer

Mirko
Not an official answer, but at the Devcon 2015 Frankfurt they presented Team Developer 64 bit. And they talked about the non .NET Version of it. So the answer is: You don't have to move.

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