Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

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Gregor

Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Gregor » 16 Feb 2006, 14:30

 Posted by:  Gregor 

Dear Gupta,

when will you fix this bug ? It is almost known for one year as 82224.

Regards

Gregor

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Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Andreas Rau » 21 Feb 2006, 17:12

 Posted by:  Andreas Rau 

Same here!
After 4 hours searching for class variable objects I would like to see a
fix for that in TD3.1

Andreas

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Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Dave Rabelink » 21 Feb 2006, 18:19

 Posted by:  Dave Rabelink 


Forget it, it will not be fixed in 3.1. Gupta won't be releasing
bugfixes for 3.1 anymore.

Please make effort to increase the pressure to Gupta so they release
a bugfix in 2005.1.

You must know that log-a-bug is not enough. It is not said that even
when you get a defectnumber, Gupta will make any move to fix it for
default. So a defectnumber is no ticked for a fix.

Next to the defect#, you should escalate it directly to Gupta.

Gregor

Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Gregor » 22 Feb 2006, 09:56

 Posted by:  Gregor 

AFAIK next fix will be in May. But 82224 is not on the list. So I will
continue to reinsert it here every month. Gupta doesn´t care on there
customers, who are spending a lot of money for a old-fashioned tool. From
our point of view nothing changed, although Charles Stevenson was promising
a lot of advancement.

Have a nice day

Gregor

Ingo Pohl

Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Ingo Pohl » 22 Feb 2006, 14:30

 Posted by:  Ingo Pohl 


Hello,

Can you please tell me where i can get the information which bugs are listed
and will be deleted in the next patch?
Also can you tell me how you know when the patches are released?

Thanks
Ingo

Gregor

Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Gregor » 22 Feb 2006, 14:42

 Posted by:  Gregor 

This was told me by our PVAR (Premium Value Added Resellers).

Jim McNamara

Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Jim McNamara » 22 Feb 2006, 17:02

 Posted by:  Jim McNamara 

Have you called Mr. Stevenson or Suren directly to present a business case
to raise the priority of the bug fix, or have you just been publicly
bitching about how Gupta doesn't care?

Gregor

Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Gregor » 22 Feb 2006, 17:41

 Posted by:  Gregor 

How many business cases do you need before getting a bug fix, that is
slowing down development to speed of using assembler and that is known for a
year ?

Jim McNamara

Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Jim McNamara » 22 Feb 2006, 18:13

 Posted by:  Jim McNamara 

You need to make your business case with the development managers - not the
news group. One battle you may have is that the vast majority of us
abandoned .apd's within 6 months of their introduction & Gupta management
may see them as basically an unused resource that is not worth maintaining.

Gregor

Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Gregor » 22 Feb 2006, 18:33

 Posted by:  Gregor 

Jim,

wether I talk to them or not - they doesn´t care. I hope that there are some
more people who are unlucky with gupta behaviour and write it down - if
there is a community. If I´m the only one - who cares.

Have a nice evening

Gregor

Martin Duty

Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Martin Duty » 22 Feb 2006, 20:10

 Posted by:  Martin Duty 

Perhaps what Jim is trying to say in the nicest way he can........

The people who make this decision do not normally read the messages in this
news group.

We that do read the messages, do not want to read the same message from you
over and over and over and over every month.

Martin

Jim McNamara

Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Jim McNamara » 22 Feb 2006, 21:00

 Posted by:  Jim McNamara 

Another thing I am trying to say is if you have an issue, talk with someone
that can help you - nicely -rather than slandering them in public.

I speak from experience. About 18 months ago I had an issue that was
preventing deployment of a TD3.0 build. I called Suren and discussed the
issue and explained the business problem. The priority of the bug was
raised and I had a one off build of the problem dll in less than 3 weeks.

To be less blunt - there is a right way and a wrong way to get a problem
solved. Telling the world that no one at Gupta gives a crap is the wrong
way.

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Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Dave Rabelink » 22 Feb 2006, 22:11

 Posted by:  Dave Rabelink 

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:13:36 -0500, "Jim McNamara"

And that's a pitty !

If I should make a list of the best 'inventions' Gupta has come up
with in TD, i should say the outline editor and for close second
dynalibs !

The community seems to have overlooked the true potential of dynalibs.
We have used them from the start they are introduced and offered us a
very good way to make huge applications modular. I must say even I did
not see the usage to be beneficial at the start. But when implemented
the right way, it gives really a perfect way to lower footprint,
increases release management control and offers real functional
building black boxes.

I know there are issues with dynalibs, many of them i have logged as a
bug myself and created several test cases for Gupta to show them in a
clear and reproducable way. But there are also many bugs to be found
in other core parts of TD in general, dynalibs are no exception.

If i really would find dynalibs introducing problems in TD build
applications, i would not use them. I always work to improve
performance and stability in my projects and till now dynalibs have
offered me ways for implementations i could not have acchieved without
them !

Maybe it is time for me to work on that article i'm planning to write
some time now. There i will show how to use dynalibs the right way and
giving a clear and stable framework for developers to use in large
scaled projects. Maybe i could drop along a tool i wrote to check
dynalib source-code to find potential faulty designs which could lead
to the known issues.

If others here would like to have this information and would like to
see how a dynalib framework which supports clear interfaces can be
implemented and want to see the real potential, raise your hands !

I think it would give Gupta an insight what a beautifull feature they
have introduced and hopefully will support and promote it more.

Dave

Jim McNamara

Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Jim McNamara » 22 Feb 2006, 23:12

 Posted by:  Jim McNamara 

Go for it Dave - when they 1st came out 10-11 years ago I saw some great
potential but didn't have the patience to work through the issues. Like
most (probably), I've just never revisited them. I was at a user group
meeting where David Holmes-Kinsella introduced TD1.0 to us. He was VERY
excited about dynalibs.

Gregor

Re: Gupta TD 3.1 PFT4 crashes using apd and class-variables - part 2

Post by Gregor » 23 Feb 2006, 07:54

 Posted by:  Gregor 

Jim, I understand your point, but you are not right. We are developers and
if WE make a bug we have to fix it. So it is to easy to argue, most of
people don´t use dynalibs so there will be no bug-fix.

The right way was to log the bug, the right way was to inform your local
SVAR. Your "right way" reminds me to the possibility to save the earth in
the first part of hitchhiker guide to the galaxy. I remind you, that I´m a
ordinary user.

The way to post it here is not the best way too, I agree. But potential
gupta buyers (if there still are any) will join this platform and have a
look at the bug-fixes. So it will be read.

But first of all there will be cebit in Hannover. Maybe this will be another
opportunity to battle for a bug fix. Funny that you have to battle and it
is not self-evident. Funny ? No, it is sad.

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