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Karthik

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Post by Karthik » 03 Dec 2004, 23:28

 Posted by:  Karthik 

If some kind soul can update the rest on what happenned in the
conference that ended yesterday, its welcome.

Did they speak about the Unicode version thats due next?
What did they say about the acquisition?.

Thank you,
Karthik

FRBhote
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Post by FRBhote » 04 Dec 2004, 07:28

 Posted by:  F R Bhote 

And whether Row Level Locking is planned any time in the future.

Martin Knopp

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Post by Martin Knopp » 05 Dec 2004, 20:46

 Posted by:  Martin Knopp 

We are going to publish a summary (in English) shortly (likely tomorrow or
latest on Tuesday) - I will post the link here when its online.

--
Martin Knopp, Dipl. Ing.

fecher GmbH
good people - good software

D'Orsay-Gasse 4/1
A-1090 Wien

Phone +43-1-3199124-0
Fax: +43-1-3199124-80
mailto:Martin.Knopp@fecher.at
http://www.fecher.at
------------------------------------------

We would be happy to inform you regarding the following topics

-- Cross platform development with SQLBase and Team Developer for Windows
and Linux

-- buildingBLOCKS XP: Web User Interfaces with ASP.NET and Team Developer

-- classCOMPILER.NET: Compiling non-visual SAL code to MSIL (.NET) more at
http://www.fecher.at/classcompiler

Mirko
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Post by Mirko » 06 Dec 2004, 09:06

 Posted by:  Mirko BONANNO 

Hi Karthik & FR,

I hoped I would have met you there :-(

They said that unicode will be supported in V 2006. Someone asked why it was
not supported already in V 2005 (as many people asked for it last year) and
they said that they wanted to provide us with a complete and realible
solution !!!

When people asked for rowlocking they asked us why we do need it ! In their
opinion there are better ways to get data consistency and user concurrency
!!! So if I understood it correcly they do not plan to provide us with such
(row locking) a solution.

About the acquisition ? IMHO a lot of bla, bla, bla... I'm sure Martin
report will explain that. They said that it is a really good thing for Gupta
(why would they say something else ?), that the new company is interested in
technology and will provide $ for future developments.

I had the feeling that during the past year they concentrated their efforts
with the crossplatform solution. For windows users there are not so much new
features ; lots of work with RB, OLEDB , and not to forget the fantastik and
so dreamed brand new "Find & Replace" dialog !!! But it seems that they are
working hard for the future realease where the GUI (finally :-) wil change
(we even had a sreen-shot) and it wil be MSIL (& LongHorn ?) compatible and
where I was promissed we will be able to get rid of all our M$ API calls !!!

The team (Gupta people) looks really dynamic and I compleately trust them
for the feature. I hope we will take advantage of the crossplatform
developpement as well as I hope they will (new customers ?).

My best regards to Chuck, Jeff, Dietmar & Christian
A particular thanks to Charlie, Suren & Mike
And a big kiss to Kristie, Ines, Katy & Andrea

See you soon
Mirko

Karthik

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Post by Karthik » 06 Dec 2004, 19:02

 Posted by:  Karthik 

Hi Mirko,

We have some users who enter characters in hungarian and we want unicode

As for Gupta,. After the acquisition, i want to be hopeful but am
very gloomy :-(.

My thanks goes to the very dedicated SQLBase team, Charlie and Mike
especially.. Their GTD team is also proactive and they personally E Mail
people for feedback. LEts see what happens now.

TIOBE is a firm thato monitor the rankings of programming languages. You
can find it at http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm

I wrote to them asking them to include Gupta. Today morning, they wrote
back. It appears VB's market share is 8000 times higher than Gupta. This

"You need to have a market share of at least 0.012% to be monitored.
Gupta Team Developer has currently an estimated share of 0.001%, based
on the ratings of today. Hence, it is not popular enough according to
us, to keep explicitly keeping tracking of it."

We shall meet next time in Europe and in better times. ;-).

Regards
Karthik

Martin Knopp

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Post by Martin Knopp » 06 Dec 2004, 22:40

 Posted by:  Martin Knopp 

Do you know how TIOBE measures the market share - seems to be based somehow
on GOOGLE searches.

--
Martin Knopp, Dipl. Ing.

fecher GmbH
good people - good software

D'Orsay-Gasse 4/1
A-1090 Wien

Phone +43-1-3199124-0
Fax: +43-1-3199124-80
mailto:Martin.Knopp@fecher.at
http://www.fecher.at
------------------------------------------

We would be happy to inform you regarding the following topics

-- Cross platform development with SQLBase and Team Developer for Windows
and Linux

-- buildingBLOCKS XP: Web User Interfaces with ASP.NET and Team Developer

-- classCOMPILER.NET: Compiling non-visual SAL code to MSIL (.NET) more at
http://www.fecher.at/classcompiler

Martin Knopp

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Post by Martin Knopp » 07 Dec 2004, 16:13

 Posted by:  Martin Knopp 

It's online! You can find the summary in the news section on our homepage at
http://www.fecher.at.

The summary is in english so it should serve most of you well.

--
Martin Knopp, Dipl. Ing.

fecher GmbH
good people - good software

D'Orsay-Gasse 4/1
A-1090 Wien

Phone +43-1-3199124-0
Fax: +43-1-3199124-80
mailto:Martin.Knopp@fecher.at
http://www.fecher.at
------------------------------------------

We would be happy to inform you regarding the following topics

-- Cross platform development with SQLBase and Team Developer for Windows
and Linux

-- buildingBLOCKS XP: Web User Interfaces with ASP.NET and Team Developer

-- classCOMPILER.NET: Compiling non-visual SAL code to MSIL (.NET) more at
http://www.fecher.at/classcompiler

Jim McNamara

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Post by Jim McNamara » 07 Dec 2004, 16:30

 Posted by:  Jim McNamara 

Thanks Martin, Nice job!!

Mirko
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Post by Mirko » 07 Dec 2004, 16:59

 Posted by:  Mirko BONANNO 

Hi Martin,

you forgot to mention the new fantastic Find & Replace Dialog ;-)

BTW Your report is very well done as well as your presentation for webdev
was
(You all folks definetly missed something at Dresden)

Ciao
Mirko

Didier Tourneur

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Post by Didier Tourneur » 07 Dec 2004, 17:08

 Posted by:  Didier Tourneur 

yes it's REAL inovation

didier

Karthik

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Post by Karthik » 07 Dec 2004, 19:18

 Posted by:  Karthik 

Hi Martin,

Thanks for the excellent summary and the patience you have taken in
putting this together. That was optimistic. I am still skeptical, not
about the Gupta developers but the new management. But the way Gupta can
answer us is to come out with what they have promised- especially the
Longhorn release. The promised "native" version in Q1 2006 will go some
way to restore their credibility.

>

Question 1) "Natively" ---> Is this wording right?. Does it mean that
WINE will be dumped?. Good riddance.

Their Linux plans are quite confusing. Question 2). Are they planning
to have both a native version(2006) as well as supporting Mono (2007) ?.
This is a very tall claim. So which one do should we use?. The WINE one
in 2005, the native one in 2006 or Mono in 2007?

>
Is this a free upgrade to all TD 2005 customers?.

Thanks again Martin,
Karthik

Bud Ingraham

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Post by Bud Ingraham » 07 Dec 2004, 22:27

 Posted by:  Bud Ingraham 


Mirko,

This is more than a 10 year old problem. Basically, they really do NOT
want to get that deep into the core of SQLBase - if something is working
- you really don't want to break it.

Martin Knopp

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Post by Martin Knopp » 08 Dec 2004, 08:04

 Posted by:  Martin Knopp 

Let me add my own thoughts here:

First of all I agree that they do not want to get that deep into the core of
SQLBase if it is not absolutely neccessary.

But on the other hand I think that most of us wouldn't

Martin Knopp

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Post by Martin Knopp » 08 Dec 2004, 08:14

 Posted by:  Martin Knopp 

continued here (sorry hit send to early)

But on the other hand I think that most of us wouldn't ask for row-level
locking anymore if we had already page versioning. Most of the times that I
saw problems with locking in SQLBase it had been queries blocking writing
transactions. This would be completely solved with page versioning. In fact
I think row-level locking without page versioning wouldn't solve this
problem in many cases.

Row-level locking to my understanding only would be superior if you have
long running writing transactions writing to the same pages - this is not
the most common scenario I think.

So here is what I think: If I would have to choose between either page
versioning or row-level locking I would probably vote for page versioning.
Sure best would be to have both of course.

--
Martin Knopp, Dipl. Ing.

fecher GmbH
good people - good software

D'Orsay-Gasse 4/1
A-1090 Wien

Phone +43-1-3199124-0
Fax: +43-1-3199124-80
mailto:Martin.Knopp@fecher.at
http://www.fecher.at
------------------------------------------

We would be happy to inform you regarding the following topics

-- Cross platform development with SQLBase and Team Developer for Windows
and Linux

-- buildingBLOCKS XP: Web User Interfaces with ASP.NET and Team Developer

-- classCOMPILER.NET: Compiling non-visual SAL code to MSIL (.NET) more at
http://www.fecher.at/classcompiler

Mirko
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Post by Mirko » 08 Dec 2004, 08:16

 Posted by:  Mirko BONANNO 

Hi Bud,

I totaly agree with your statement !!!

As I do not have much problems with DeadLocks and/or TimeOuts for the moment
I might agree with them too :-)

Ciao

Mirko

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