Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

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Frank

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Frank » 10 Jul 2003, 19:08

 Posted by:  Frank 

I am in urgent need of a licence for Team Developer 1.5.1 (or higher). Is
there anybody who want's to sell a licence? Or is there anybody who knows
where I can buy a low-priced ("used") licence? At present I am a student and
cant't buy a "new" licence from Gupta - because of the high price. So I am
looking for an "older" licence.

Please contact me: frank.d@gmx.net
I would be glad, thank you!

Sherlock

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Sherlock » 10 Jul 2003, 20:18

 Posted by:  Sherlock 

Hi,

I am a student and I bought one for very very less for my masters
thesis work . they will give you real cheap if you tell them you wont
develop commerical applications during the period of your study.
Contact centura .

they give the same license as they do to their corporate customers (i
checked that) . For ethical reasons, you need to ensure that you dont
make money out of any applications you deploy in your college or for a
couple of years atleast after you buy it.

microsoft has a different license though. i got a .NET license for
5$ (yes, 5 dollars) which allows me to develop commercial software once
i leave college. centura's is much more expensive, but you need to
check with them. spam them a bit at sales@centurasoft.com and be a bit
persistent and they will give you for real cheap (they might ignore a
couple of mails).

good luck
karthik

Sherlock

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Sherlock » 10 Jul 2003, 20:22

 Posted by:  Sherlock 

and you are not supposed to "buy" a license from anyone else except
centura. its illegeal and you will get into trouble.

Jim McNamara

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Jim McNamara » 11 Jul 2003, 15:31

 Posted by:  Jim McNamara 

M$ trick is that by the time you finish college, .NET will be obsolete &
you'll have to buy an upgrade. :-))

Jim McNamara

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Jim McNamara » 11 Jul 2003, 15:34

 Posted by:  Jim McNamara 

If someone is no longer using their license, Gupta would probably be willing
to transfer ownership as long as LMS is current. In US the potential
penalty for software infringements is $10,000 per infraction and some jail
time.

Aidas Kavaliauskas

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Aidas Kavaliauskas » 11 Jul 2003, 22:02

 Posted by:  Aidas Kavaliauskas 

Hello Jim,

It's not a trick, it's a reality. Would you like to sell your products for
5$?

Aidas

P.S. That's not only valid for M$, other try to do the same, but just are
not so good in marketing :-)

Mahesh Ramakrishnan

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Mahesh Ramakrishnan » 11 Jul 2003, 22:17

 Posted by:  Mahesh Ramakrishnan 

If centura comes up with some kind student version, it is really going to
help the company in future. If students get used to programming in
SqlWindows, the tend to use the same when they start their careers while
they may need to widen their skills with learning .NET programming.

Thanks,

Mahesh Ramakrishnan
Visit www.aimsit.com

Sherlock

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Sherlock » 11 Jul 2003, 22:17

 Posted by:  Sherlock 

Here are some compartive prices of software at Purdue university:

All of them,except oracle allow commercial usage after you get out.
So you want to buy tons of software dirt cheap, enroll part time in some
local university and get hold of a student ID. I am not doing that
though ;-)

1).NET (Visual basic+C#+ Visual C++....) == 5 dollars
2)Macromedia dreamweaver +Flash +Director = 99$
3)Microsoft Windows XP --> 5 dollards
4)Microsoft OFfice XP -->5 dollars
%)Microsoft front page --> 5 dollars
3)Borland -->100 $
4)Centura 750 $
5)Oracle (Free for education).
6)IBM Webspphere with visual age and all that --> 5$

The catch is that you only get one license. You lose it, you dont get
one more.

Does the figure give an indicator of marketing of MS vs others.?.
Centura will get smothered man. even mosquitoes like borland do great
marketing!

Cheers
karthik

Rajesh Desai

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Rajesh Desai » 14 Jul 2003, 09:40

 Posted by:  Rajesh Desai 

Gupta did produce a student/demo version called SOLO some time ago, but it
did not catch on.. I suspect this was because they did not market it
heavily. It might be a good time to repeat this exercise.

Martin Teetz

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Martin Teetz » 14 Jul 2003, 14:31

 Posted by:  Martin Teetz 

We have a unstructured university program in place. Please contact your
local Gupta subsidary or send me a private email for details.

Best regards,
Martin Teetz
Product Manager
Gupta Technologies

Jim McNamara

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Jim McNamara » 14 Jul 2003, 15:49

 Posted by:  Jim McNamara 

Solo was a VERY limited version, and very buggy. Chased more away than it
caught.

Rajesh Desai

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Rajesh Desai » 14 Jul 2003, 17:18

 Posted by:  Rajesh Desai 

I gave my copy of SOLO away and never used it.. However, the idea was good.

Bud Ingraham

Help!!! Centura Team Developer 1.5 Licence

Post by Bud Ingraham » 19 Jul 2003, 10:37

 Posted by:  Bud Ingraham 

“Gupta did produce a student/demo version called SOLO some time ago, but
it did not catch on. I suspect this was because they did not market it
heavily.”

Absolutely correct. There was no follow thru in the marketing. Gupta
never did ascertain who tried the copies of SOLO, and their reaction to
it. However, internally to Gupta at that time, there was as strong
feeling the SOLO was a failure – but it was only a feeling – not based
on any facts or figures.

“Solo was a VERY limited version….”

If I remember properly, the only “limited” part of it was the included
SQLBase was limited to 5 megs. I don’t remember any limitations on
SQLWindows – might have been, but I just don’t remember them.

“Chased more away than it caught.”

Yes, and IMHO, mostly because the manual concentrated almost exclusively
on QuickObjects. Learners would develop these QuickObjects as
recommended by the accompanied written guide, and then get TOTALLY
befuddled as how to modify them. Every time I interacted with such a
person, I recommended to them to ignore QuickObjects, do your own
database connections, use the native tablewindow handling, etc – result
was always a MUCH happier person – and almost inevitably - someone who
then liked SQLWindows.

“It might be a good time to repeat this exercise.”

MORE than definitely YES! Point of fact, over the years, many
corporations moved away from SQLWindows – NOT because they did not like
the product – they DID like it; however, they could NOT easily find
developers to support their projects using SQLWindows. I know several
SQLWindows programmers that were brought into the fold because of the
SOLO project.

Gupta should have followed the Microsoft way – Microsoft had for the
longest time a VB training edition; and when it comes to marketing –
Microsoft KNOWS how to do it. If they had a VB training edition – there
MUST have been a good reason for it. You need a good solid developer
base to support a language – and the language becomes almost
self-perpetuating.

IMHO, Gupta should reduce the price of its offering to about $500.00,
develop a training edition that could be downloadable from the Web, and
charge ahead in that manner. It is important to have a competitively
priced offering, and today, to encourage people to try out and learn
your product WITHOUT having to contact a sales representative.

Ps – People today can freely download a non-commercial license version
of Borland C# Builder. Of course, they can then “kick the tires” of
the product, and see if they like it. They can also learn C# with it.
And, as it is an easily available download; after a person tries it,
and if they like it, they will probably recommend others to try it – or
their company to BUY it. Thus, Borland gets a tremendous amount of free
advertising and marketing.

Oh yes, there will be folks that will abuse the privilege and not
properly pay for the license when developing commercial software. BUT,
the amount of “free” advertising and “free” marketing will drive more
sales than if they had not offered the free non-commercial download.

Remember, to catch the BIGGER fish ( bigger market ), you sacrifice the
smaller fish by tossing them into the water to attract the bigger fish.

Nota Bene: Microsoft learned that lesson well.

Time to take lessons from the leaders. I saw the Quarterly balance
sheet of Microsoft – something to emulate…

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