German User Conference 2001

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Radek Cerny

German User Conference 2001

Post by Radek Cerny » 27 Nov 2001, 21:20

 Posted by:  Radek Cerny 

Two things:
first, there are too many limitations & bugs in the OC for us to use; we
fought with it for a while, moved code around etc and got it to compile some
of our code, but with no perceptible performance gains. I can try again and
send the you guys the error log :)
Second, will TOM be supported, or dropped in the near future (or made open
source??)

Thanks,

Radek

Joe Meyer

German User Conference 2001

Post by Joe Meyer » 28 Nov 2001, 08:25

 Posted by:  Joe Meyer \(ITG\) 

At the DevCon in Munich Chuck Stevensen said that it WILL BE dropped
(together with other things). So who's right and who's wrong?

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Joe Meyer, TAO
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Martin Knopp

German User Conference 2001

Post by Martin Knopp » 28 Nov 2001, 20:15

 Posted by:  Martin Knopp 

Roger,

You are absolutely right!

Thats why I wrote "will not be or at least might not be continued" thats how
I understood it as well. The final decision for each product is not yet
made!

--
Martin Knopp, Dipl. Ing.
fecher GmbH / Österreich
Geschäftsführer / Managing Director
email: Martin.Knopp@fecher.at
phone: +43-1-3199124-0
fax: +43-1-3199124-80

Martin Knopp

German User Conference 2001

Post by Martin Knopp » 28 Nov 2001, 20:21

 Posted by:  Martin Knopp 

In my point of view the way the object compiler does work it can only
speed-up very, very specific parts of code. It mainly replaces the
interpreter loop of the runtime and finally calls the same DLL functions. I
am not even sure if it speeds up numeric operations as it cannot decide to
use integer arithemtic.

For performance I would suggest that a native integer datatype (that could
be used for loops and array indexing) would be really helpfull!!

BTW: Just to make it clear: I did never write that any product already HAS
BEEN dropped but Chuck Stevenson told us that some of the will or might be
dropped pretty soon!

--
Martin Knopp, Dipl. Ing.
fecher GmbH / Österreich
Geschäftsführer / Managing Director
email: Martin.Knopp@fecher.at
phone: +43-1-3199124-0
fax: +43-1-3199124-80

Martin Knopp

German User Conference 2001

Post by Martin Knopp » 28 Nov 2001, 20:21

 Posted by:  Martin Knopp 

Its always a pleasure to write the summary for the benefit of the entire
community!

--
Martin Knopp, Dipl. Ing.
fecher GmbH / Österreich
Geschäftsführer / Managing Director
email: Martin.Knopp@fecher.at
phone: +43-1-3199124-0
fax: +43-1-3199124-80

Radek Cerny

German User Conference 2001

Post by Radek Cerny » 28 Nov 2001, 21:11

 Posted by:  Radek Cerny 


I second that. Amd maybe a fixed length string as well to speed up string
concats.

Scott
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German User Conference 2001

Post by Scott » 29 Nov 2001, 01:19

 Posted by:  Scott Booth 

Great! Here's a very tiny apt that shows 2 problems. I'd be interested to
see if others find it behaves the same way on their system as on mine.

Scott

Attachment: OC Crash Test.zip

Charles McLouth

German User Conference 2001

Post by Charles McLouth » 29 Nov 2001, 17:37

 Posted by:  Charles McLouth 

TOM is still around. We did several defect fixes of which I think a couple
turned into features for 2.1.

charlie

Charles McLouth

German User Conference 2001

Post by Charles McLouth » 29 Nov 2001, 17:41

 Posted by:  Charles McLouth 

Well, I know I'm correct in my statement. The Object Compiler is still in
the TD package, and we are doing some work to it.
But he's my boss ;-)

I wasn't at the conference, so I can't comment on exactly what was said.
But many ideas about many things, have been passed around the Dev/Mgmt.
team. One of them was Open Sourcing the Object Compiler. At this point, a
decision hasn't been made.

charlie

Roger Kapp

German User Conference 2001

Post by Roger Kapp » 29 Nov 2001, 18:29

 Posted by:  Roger Kapp 

I haven't used/tested it for a while, but at it's begining, I had developed
a small app calculating the n first "nombres premiers" (numbers that can't
be divided by any other (than themself and 1)).

This requires quiet some calculations and loops (even within other loops
...) (at least the way I decided to code it).

ObjectCompiler showed 20 to 3000 time improvements (depending on the way you
coded it ...) !!!

But this is NOT representative of GENERAL gains you can expect in an
application as MOST of time is (usually) spent querying the database and
doing some GUI related formating (areas where ObjectCompiler will bring
nearly NO gain).

But in cases where intensive calculations are required (and can be isolated
in a (then global) function, it is definitly GREAT !

Just one click and you get a significant gain in performance !

But then, the ObjectCompiler never evolved (or at least not as the community
expected it) so (to my knowledge) only few customers use it ...

I think it would require at least three (or more) measures to change this:

- there are some anoying bugs/misfunctions which should be corrected
- a strong commitment to it
- evolution (every new version of TD should contain a new (more powerfull,
less buggy, ...) version of OC

This would help convince the field that it is worth using it.

Once the (majority of) the community uses it, I see little chance (and no
reason(s)) for Gupta to drop it ... ;-)

Again a question (no one reacted to in a separate thread):

Would you accept to pay some (reasonable) amount for this (and other)
"extra(s)" ?

Point here is that IF Gupta could generate some (even small) additional
revenue from this, I'm sure this could be an argument to bring to the PTB
...

Now the idea of opening the source code to the community and have you,
knowledgeable contributors, take care of it's future is also an interesting
perspective IMHO :)

Regards,
Roger

Radek Cerny

German User Conference 2001

Post by Radek Cerny » 29 Nov 2001, 21:25

 Posted by:  Radek Cerny 

Thanks. We keep looking around for other source control software, but
always seem to prefer TOM's model.

Charles McLouth

German User Conference 2001

Post by Charles McLouth » 11 Dec 2001, 01:24

 Posted by:  Charles McLouth 

yes, when I was in charge of a consulting team, we always used TOM because
of its convenience.
Also, I believe that we (gupta) use it as the revision management for
training material.

charlie

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