Move/Create Version of CTD for .NET!!!!

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sln

Move/Create Version of CTD for .NET!!!!

Post by sln » 05 Apr 2001, 18:01

 Posted by:  sln 

Creating a .NET version of CTD would give a huge boost to the tool by
exposing VB programmers to an alternative language, syntax and environment
while remaining compatible and interoperable with the other .NET lanaguages.
This may be a large undertaking, however the results would put CTD back onto
the larger map where it once played. My company had been involved with
SQLWindows/CTD since version 1 and over the past several years has moved on
to other languages due to this products/company's inability to maintain US
market share against the VB's of the world. Nevertheless it is a great
product and might do even better by porting it to the .NET platform.

Thoughts anyone....

sln

Mike Vandine

Move/Create Version of CTD for .NET!!!!

Post by Mike Vandine » 07 Apr 2001, 03:05

 Posted by:  Mike Vandine-Centura 

A comment from Patrick Bernard, Centura's ebusiness director, regarding
.NET:

We are currently determining the details of .net integration within our
products, but customers can rest assured that we _are_ planning to support
.Net.

Mike

sln

Move/Create Version of CTD for .NET!!!!

Post by sln » 11 Apr 2001, 16:51

 Posted by:  sln 

Mike,

What is Centura's definition of support?

1. Use of .Net components
2. CTD as yet another .Net language with full integration?
3. Something else?

sln

Mike Vandine

Move/Create Version of CTD for .NET!!!!

Post by Mike Vandine » 13 Apr 2001, 01:55

 Posted by:  Mike Vandine-Centura 

SLN,

I just report comments, I don't interpret them.

Sorry, to be vague, but I really don't know the answer. I'll ask the
question of Patrick.

Mike

Mike Vandine

Move/Create Version of CTD for .NET!!!!

Post by Mike Vandine » 13 Apr 2001, 02:50

 Posted by:  Mike Vandine-Centura 

SLN,

Here's a further comment:

CTD and .Net: Although Microsoft's .Net environment is
not yet finalized, we are carefully reviewing it's future implications
for our users and assessing which direction to follow to best integrate
within.

The first steps we are considering are to allow
native manipulation of .Net objects within CTD (includes derivation of a
.Net object), which would be similar to the manipulation of COM
components. We would then follow with actual .Net object generation
later on. .Net objects being similar to Java objects, this may allow for
similar support of Java objects within CTD, which opens interesting
possibilities for CTD as a strong enabler of multi-standard/platform
applications development.

The reflection is still in it's early stages and
many questions will still need to be answered (like MSIL support), this
is simply a high level overview of possibilities.

One element is clear, we are strongly committed
to supporting Microsoft's .Net strategy.

Mike

Michael W. Dietrich

Move/Create Version of CTD for .NET!!!!

Post by Michael W. Dietrich » 13 Apr 2001, 08:53

 Posted by:  Michael W. Dietrich 

Mike,

dont you think your statement describes best what centura has become and why
it will not get again what it once was ? Once centura was "the 1st 4GL for
windows" though I remember that sqlwindows 1.0 was on of the worst products
I've ever seen it was visionary.

Today centura has become one of those totaly political companies which are
always
- carefully reviewing
- aiming to implement
- considering steps to allow implementation
actually though this is not all of your words, this is the kind of centura
for years now diplomatically saying
"We have no vision. We dont want to become marketleader. Actually we would
like to be but we have no money and no visions to market anything. But hey,
as long a there's still water why shouldn't we be one of the small fishes
swiming around?"

This is how I feel about centuras visionary power and about its marketing
efforts - and actually I hear statements like mine all around the former
german centura community. Actually nobody who's thinking about moving to
.Net is not thinking of moving away from centura.

And as long as you don't get a vision to work and market it, no one will
trust any "considering and aiming to allow" statements anymore - I think.

regards
modulo3 GmbH
Michael W. Dietrich

Stefan Piechowski

Move/Create Version of CTD for .NET!!!!

Post by Stefan Piechowski » 23 Apr 2001, 11:22

 Posted by:  Stefan Piechowski 

Hello Michael,
Hello Centura

this is TOTALLY my opinion.
I never read a statement, that represents our thoughts so clearly.

We are have many MB of Centura sourcecode and
if we are not fast enough to move to never technologies (Java, Bea, JSP,
.Net)
our customers won't buy our products anymore.

Greetings

Stefan Piechowski
pilodata GmbH

Evangelos Pappas

Move/Create Version of CTD for .NET!!!!

Post by Evangelos Pappas » 11 May 2001, 15:23

 Posted by:  Evangelos Pappas 

Same here Stefan,
MB's of code and several open projects which require involvement of new
technonogies (CORBA,COM+).
CTD 2000 was a small step forward, but, if Centura will not move forward to
drastical improvements (like native support of COM or .NET classes), I don't
thing that we can avoid moving to other development tools like Java or
Visual Studio for .NET. Sorry guys, but "activeX containers" are not enough
anymore.

CTD could be an excellent tool for .NET platform, but I don't think that
this can happen with "native manipulation of .Net objects within CTD
(includes derivation of a.Net object), which would be similar to the
manipulation of COM components", as Mike Vandine mentioned, because in CTD
2000, manipulation of COM components is not easy at all (and "native" is not
a correct word for it either).

I would like to see CTD moves forward, but not the way it did up to now.

Greetings,
Evangelos Pappas
Vector I.S. S.A.

Arjan Marto

Move/Create Version of CTD for .NET!!!!

Post by Arjan Marto » 14 May 2001, 14:09

 Posted by:  Arjan Marto 

Hi,
After 8 years of programming in Centura, we'll change to the .Net or Java
envirinment,
if we don't see important changes in the Centura within the next month.

Thanks
Arjan Marto

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