Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

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Cláudio Lima

Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

Post by Cláudio Lima » 30 Mar 2001, 19:00

 Posted by:  Cláudio Lima 

Hi,

On the matter of directions, as exposed on the previuos thread on Centura's
site maintenance, is there any possibility or planning on having a CTD2000
version for running over Linux? And what about SQLBase ?

Any comment from people from Centura would be of great help...

Cláudio Lima

Martin Knopp

Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

Post by Martin Knopp » 31 Mar 2001, 07:35

 Posted by:  Martin Knopp 

Well I am not from Centura so its not internal information:

I don't think we will see a CTD for Linux. It would require a complete
recoding probably as CTD today is closely tied to the Windows platform (just
think about all the visual stuff, the ActiveX and COM integration). Just a
question: Are you looking to write client applications with a GUI for Linux
or are you looking to write server stuff without a GUI mainly?

Regarding SQLBase its technically much more likely. However would you think
there is a business model for that.? On Linux probably everyone would expect
SQLBase to come for free or would you think they would be willing to pay as
much money as on Windows or Novel plattform?

--
Martin Knopp, Dipl. Ing.
fecher GmbH / Österreich
Geschäftsführer / Managing Director
email: Martin.Knopp@fecher.at
phone: +43-1-3199124-0
fax: +43-1-3199124-80

Philip Mathioudakis

Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

Post by Philip Mathioudakis » 02 Apr 2001, 19:09

 Posted by:  Philip Mathioudakis 

Hello,
The question is : the centura have the solution for doc .net ?
Yes, it is good for the customers and the centura partenaire.
No, it is the end.
Linux, it is good market, news markets but for news products.
For Centura it is too late.

Philip MATHIOUDAKIS

Cláudio Lima

Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

Post by Cláudio Lima » 02 Apr 2001, 20:41

 Posted by:  Cláudio Lima 

Martin,

What I have in mind at the moment is:

- Linux is becoming a reality all over the world. I think its promises are
very appealing (that is, a client and a server OS for free, or at least for
much less than WinXX).
- As a corporative developper, I think that the greatest barrier for using
it (at least in my corporation) is losing all the developping effort (money)
on the client applications.
- So, if we could count on a developpent environment that could be source
compatible with the one we have in WinXX, it would be great. Even if we had
to pay for it (it would be much cheaper than maintaing all the OS client and
server copies).What we would have to do would be recompiling our CTD source
code on Linux (with some problems in between, probably).
- Whatever would be the product, SQLBase or CTD, I expect we would have to
pay for it.
- As a final comment, having CTD for Linux would me more urgent, for me as a
client, once as far as I know, already exist some relational database for
Linux. In that case, for sure it would be cheaper to migrate for it, once
the environment supported a driver).

Regarding Centura, I think they should think carefully on this subject....Or
maybe they have some agreement with Microsoft on never porting CTD to
Linux?....

Comments from Centura would be appreciated...

Cordially,

Claudio Lima.

Joe Meyer

Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

Post by Joe Meyer » 03 Apr 2001, 09:08

 Posted by:  Joe Meyer \(ITG\) 

Do you really think that Linux will become an OS at the client
side? I don't think so.
I see Linux on server machines only, such as db servers or web
servers. As a consequence I don't think that CTD development
environment on Linux is that important. All I see is the
requirement for a CTD runtime running on Linux. That way you
could continue to develop on your Windows machine but would be
able to compile for the Linux runtime, too.

--
Joe Meyer, TAO
Ice Tea Group, LLC.
www.iceteagroup.com

Joe Meyer

Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

Post by Joe Meyer » 03 Apr 2001, 09:19

 Posted by:  Joe Meyer \(ITG\) 

I don't really understand why your comments are always so
unobjective. The company you're with participates in the
Complementary Software Partner Program, right?

Actually there's no reason to think that Centura will not
be looking at new stuff like .NET, Linux, etc. If they
are not publishing every internal detail, that doesn't mean
they do nothing.

--
Joe Meyer, TAO
Ice Tea Group, LLC.
www.iceteagroup.com

Cláudio Lima

Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

Post by Cláudio Lima » 03 Apr 2001, 18:27

 Posted by:  Cláudio Lima 

Joe,

I am not a Linux expert. But would not it be possible to have Linux as
client? With new configuration and setup features inside the graphic
interface its unfriendly hmi could become accessible to end users (at least
corporative ones to whom we could impose certain restrictions/regulations).

Claudio Lima

Martin Knopp

Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

Post by Martin Knopp » 04 Apr 2001, 06:47

 Posted by:  Martin Knopp 

Claudio,

I don't think Linux will make it to the client unless it completely looks
and behaves like Windows for the end-user and it as an office software
bundle that looks and behaves exactly like MS Office. The problem is that
end-user did learn to get used to the windows and office look and feeld and
behaviour. Changing to a new OS and office bundle would need so much
training effort for the end-users without getting anything better than they
have today. They problem in larger installations today is less crashing a
single machine. Don't look at your development department but look at all
other departments, they are mostly really happy with their local machines.
Most complains are about servers (e.g. mailserver dropout,...) and network
performance (be it due to slow or broken connections or slow server
performance, ...).

At least thats my point of view and experience.

So what do we end up with:

Keeping Windows on the client and maybe replace some servers with Linux?

What might make sense for Centura therefore: Provide a runtime that could
run non-visual (!!) server applications (for example for web applications)
on Linux. Well currently Centura supports COM only. So that needs to wait
either until COM is ported to Linux (well lets see if that will ever happen)
or they would need to support CORBA or maybe go for EJB integration to get
their stuff connected. Thats probably much more effort than providing the
non-visual runtime for Linux unfortunately.

Well their is another solution: They could adopt ITAP for web development
which would work well having a non-visual runtime for Linux without COM,
CORBA and EJB!

--
Martin Knopp, Dipl. Ing.
fecher GmbH / Österreich
Geschäftsführer / Managing Director
email: Martin.Knopp@fecher.at
phone: +43-1-3199124-0
fax: +43-1-3199124-80

Martin Knopp

Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

Post by Martin Knopp » 04 Apr 2001, 06:52

 Posted by:  Martin Knopp 

I fully agree with you.

We all know that Centura is fully commited to the Windows DNA framework.
This framework evolves to the .NET framework so will Centura.

BTW: Could anyone name me other 4GL's (Powerbuilder, Forte, ...) that
currently are able to build COM objects and are announced to be able to be
integrated into .NET yet? Anyone knowing Delphi here who could comment on
what their plans are?

--
Martin Knopp, Dipl. Ing.
fecher GmbH / Österreich
Geschäftsführer / Managing Director
email: Martin.Knopp@fecher.at
phone: +43-1-3199124-0
fax: +43-1-3199124-80

Philip Mathioudakis

Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

Post by Philip Mathioudakis » 04 Apr 2001, 17:54

 Posted by:  Philip Mathioudakis 

Hello,
I did not mean to make you angry, but the Windows DNA framework (Lynx had
the training session for CTD2000 and WindowsDNA) is fully different from
Microsoft .NET.

--
Philip MATHIOUDAKIS
Sales Manager

Martin Knopp

Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

Post by Martin Knopp » 04 Apr 2001, 20:45

 Posted by:  Martin Knopp 

I know, thats why I wrote "evolves" and not "continues". However M$ will
provide integration paths between the two frameworks.

We do a lot of stuff for Windows DNA and are fully prepared for doing .NET
either so we know what we talk about either.

Just to let you know: You are not the only one doing training for CTD2000
and WindowDNA. We do not only do training (consulting) in this area but real
life projects as well.

--
Martin Knopp, Dipl. Ing.
fecher GmbH / Österreich
Geschäftsführer / Managing Director
email: Martin.Knopp@fecher.at
phone: +43-1-3199124-0
fax: +43-1-3199124-80

Philip Mathioudakis

Diections: CTD/SqlBase for Linux?

Post by Philip Mathioudakis » 05 Apr 2001, 18:28

 Posted by:  Philip Mathioudakis 

Yes,
But it is Lynx who has sold the training material for CTD2000 for WindowsDNA
to Centura Software.

--
Philip MATHIOUDAKIS
Sales Manager

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