Posted by: Martin Knopp
Your personal insults on ITG peope are absolutley misplaced here!!!!!! They
did and do a tremendous amount of work for the Centura community and deserve
our respect. Their products are top quality and if a defect shows up (which
will happen in every piece of software) its fixed asap. Just take a look at
their newsgroups to see that I am right!
Anyway, I agree with Joe, you should strongly consider dropping CTD and
SQLBase and move on with M$ C++, VB, SQL-Server.
Well, I am pretty sure you will happily get back to CTD within the next
12-24 months after you failed badly doing so or your company will go out of
business due to missed deadlines and unmaintainable code!
Martin Knopp, Dipl. Ing.
fecher GmbH / Österreich
Geschäftsführer / Managing Director
Thank you for the most literate answer.
I have no reason to trust those guys from ITG because they do marketing here
and there. I saw (and I use) their products and must admit their quality is
quite near CTD's one. Really not so bad but I'm here to say about little bit
I cannot say anything about Oracle or Sun but I use everyday Microsoft and
CTD's tools and Platinum ERwin. Microsoft's ones are far from being perfect
but they are much better . They have at least idea there're many
technologies around them that seems to be accurately designed. On the
contrary I know no piece of CTD where I haven't troubles. IDE UI, memory
mgmt, outline, visual classes etc. Those ugly TableWindow (and QuickObjects)
that force developers to make monolithic code to access db, display data and
manage user input. Last 6 years I participate in really big project and I
know things I said about from my personal expirience. I agree 14 years ago
they were the best product for MSDOS 2.0 but I told about windows and CTD or
SQLWindows. If you said about SQLBase I have opinion too. I used SQLBase
6.0, 6.1, 6.1.1 for 3 years. It MUCH (approx.10 times on TP and up to 50
times on AP) slower than SQLServer 6.5 and much less stable. Our
administrators were forced to restart server every 2 hours because huge mem
leaks inside server. There was ugly query optimizer.
I must admit that my opinion is not so humble.
I have been using Gupta/Centura products for the past 14 years, and for
quite of few of them - part of the team representing the products in
Australia. They were losing market share when they were BY FAR the best
product on the market. The only reason that this was happening was due to
horrendous marketing - particuarlarly in the United States. Believe me, the
best marketing campaigns - such as SOLO was thought of as a failure by the
management team. True, it was a failure, but NOT for the reasons that
management thought it was. Gupta/Centura never followed up on the leads
that the SOLO marketing campaign brought. In fact, they rarely followed up
on leads at all, until the leads were absolutely stone cold - just ask their
business partners. Unfortunately in these latter years, not much has
changed. If you wish to market in this software world - you must take hints
for the likes of Microsoft, Oracle, and Sun. The products by these
companies are not that great, but if you were to listen to the hype of these
companies, you would think their products were the greatest thing since
sliced bread. Marketing has made almost all of the difference, IMHO.