Warning: Do not develop with CTD2000

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Warning: Do not develop with CTD2000

Post by Igor Ivanovic » 02 Dec 2000, 10:41

 Posted by:  Igor Ivanovic 

Gianluca,

Couldn't agree more !
George, please switch to *.NET as soon as possible.

Igor

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Warning: Do not develop with CTD2000

Post by luca.pivato » 02 Dec 2000, 21:36

 Posted by:  Gianluca ITG 

Hi Bud, we are 90% in agreement. The marketing has been very bad since ever.
No sales pitch, no upgrade offers, no tech follow up, etc... The quick
solution for the FlexLM mistake is to let you generate your own keys, if I
understood it correctly. The permanent soluiton will be to get rid of it,
again if I understood it correctly. I'm not sure about the network problem,
I think you can install CTD on the network but it will check the license on
the local C:. It is definally a situation that should be taken in
consideration, and of course someone should try to sell CTD2000!!! :)

I disagree on the competitors, VB, C++, C# and Java are not competing with
CTD. There is no way that a C++ developers would use CTD for something that
can be done in C++. VB developers are, well, "VB developers"... CTD should
compete for people that have *already* decided not to use VB. It's quite a
large market and that is where, IMO, CTD should compete. Nobody can compete
with Microsoft marketing machine, the *only* alternative is to integrate and
that is what CTD should do, IMO.

About skills, for many historical reasons many SQLWindows developers got
stuck with SQLWindows and in the years have not looked around for other
technologies, including techniques as OOP. This is because at the SQLWindows
made everything possible, easy and powerful and over the years did not
integrate well with Microsofts' new technologies. Many SQLWindows developers
have remained SQLWindows developers and now it's a problem. I don't see it
as SQLWindows or not-SQLWindows or VB or not-VB. I don't think that Java
developers or Delphi developers have that problem, for them it's more a
problem related to COM, COM+, MTS, XML, etc.

I believe in any programming shop you can and should integrate technologies.
Use CTD where it's the right tool for the job, integrate it with C++ or Java
or VB or whatever is the right tool for the task. Why switch only to VB?
What CTD2000 has done and what future releases should do *better* is to make
CTD more integrated and "integratable". Don't see it as an alternative, it's
a complementary tool that can cooperate in a ASP (or ASP+), COM, (or .NET),
or Java environments.

Ciao,
Gianluca

PS: I change the subject. The discussion on the past mistakes is a
repetition that is not worth anyone's time.

PPS: We are running our entire web site on IIS4+CTD1.5+ITAP+COM+SQLBase. It
was done in 1/3 of the time that it would take to do it using C++ or VB. It
has been running pretty well and the only problems we had were related to
external COM components. A developer able to set up our web site is not out
of any market, you would have expertise with Web Applications, SQLWindows,
COM, ASP, IIS, SQL, C/C++, etc.

Oliver Otto

Warning: Do not develop with CTD2000

Post by Oliver Otto » 03 Dec 2000, 15:57

 Posted by:  Oliver Otto 


Omnipage has something like this a few month ago, but it was illegal against
German law so they did change it back to normal registration.

Oliver Otto

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P.S. Der Blick aus unserer Sicht:
http://www.genese.de/deutsch/Wir_uber_uns/Web-Kamera/web-kamera.htm

Oliver Otto

Warning: Do not develop with CTD2000

Post by Oliver Otto » 03 Dec 2000, 16:12

 Posted by:  Oliver Otto 


I am not dissatisfied with the product. Sure there are some things that I wish
to be inside but I think I would find something in any system. That's ok. The
only thing is that Centura starts so many projects and they really finish only a
few of them. Just look on Foresite, Ranger, SqlExchange. In all cases the client
is the stupid one because he never knows if it is worth for Centura to go on
developing.

But this has nothing to do with the things that happen right now. In fact of our
contracts with our clients I am not able to use a development tool that bring me
in a situation where I do have to wait for a key. The funniest thing on all this
is that Centura Germany did not do much helpful in this case. While the past few
days I receive more emails from Centura employees of all other countries. So I
ask myself why there is a German office.
What I really do not like from Centura that we should pay for everything and
should be thankful. I do have a little different understanding of service. For
example in this case there is a need for a quick help. Also I do not understand
why I do have to pay for software updsates and it depend on myself to inform if
there are any new ones and to order them. Is this service ..?! This all has
something to do with the company politics and not with the products.

You know it is not possible to get the money back but you are right for our new
project we think on developing with a different development tool just to be a
little independant from Centura.

I am very sad about all this things.

Have a nice weekend.

Oliver Otto

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Warning: Do not develop with CTD2000

Post by wilhelm » 05 Dec 2000, 09:56

 Posted by:  Wilhelm Speck 

Thanks, I think we can live with that!

Have a nice day

Wilhelm

Thomas Althammer

Warning: Do not develop with CTD2000

Post by Thomas Althammer » 11 Dec 2000, 11:37

 Posted by:  Thomas Althammer \(ITG\) 

Oliver & others,

I am certainly astonished about what you describe. I followed this
discussion and talked to several people that were unsatisfied for good
reasons. I agree with you, waiting such a long time for a license key is not
acceptable. Just today I've made the following experience:

- I sent of an eMail with my enterprise.txt to eurolicense@centurasoft.com
at 10:19 am
- I received the license key at 11:16 am.

I am quite happy with that and I hope this fast service will be constantly
available for all others. Maybe they learned their lesson.
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Regards,
Thomas Althammer
www.iceteagroup.com

Oliver Otto

Warning: Do not develop with CTD2000

Post by Oliver Otto » 21 Dec 2000, 16:59

 Posted by:  Oliver Otto 


But some people do not work exactly during work-time. What about people working
at the weekend or late at night ..? Is it not allowed to work at these times ..?

Have a nice Christmas time

Oliver

P.S. Now I can got shopping in Germany late at night but I can not work anymore
- what a future :-|

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